Tricked you didn’t I heh-heh. Here you might have thought I had the scoop on CW4SE ST8 but nahhhhhh. I figure CW4SE ST8 is going to be a Christmas or New Years present and Geometric aint sayin nuthin just like always.
( UPDATE 7-14
As amazing as it may seem today I go to the Geometric CW4SE site and the ST8 version is there. Of course no communication from Geometric about this I can find. Maybe their ears are burning as well they should be. To little to late for this guy but if you are still on maintenance it is there.)
Sometimes I just can’t help myself. The masochistic side prevails and I go to the Geometric forums to see what is going on. Geometric on the SW side of things has I have decided earned a new motto. It was earned some time back for SE though and I propose the adoption of “Program Farter,Machine Disaster” as the new motto for all the Geometric CAM endeavors.
For those of you who might be in a moment of severe mental confusion and considering the purchase of Geometric CAM please continue on. For those of you whom sanity has prevailed upon and you know better you may leave now. Unless of course you like the bizzare humor of the CAMWorks world. Then I encourage you to read on and smile with me as a past CW4SE victim observes the Geometric world of today. Kind of a fourth of July celebration here as we watch Geometrics blowing up.
First up is the robust and well attended Solid Edge CW4SE fan club forum update.
The screen capture is far more eloquent than I ever could be. There is no more damning thing I can think of than this simple and stark evidence of what paying customers from Solid Edge who were to a man excited to be here initially think of their choice now. Perhaps for ST8 if there are any CW4SE users left they will get the use an ST8 CW4SE version that will exceed the two month duration of half usable ST7 CW4SE. Quite frankly I don’t see how Geometric can continue to even try to support CW4SE. They have completely alienated their existing customers and the word is out keeping any new ones away. As far as I am concerned Geometric does not have the talent, the financial resources nor the dedicated to quality management ethos to make their product work and then prove the value to an SE market they have screwed over with a bad product. So they hide from the world and their customers. Those poor souls whose only contact is the annual maintenance invoice. Somehow reporting the progress or lack thereof to people who rely on Geometric to earn a living is not as worthy and not communicated. Plain spoken word alert for the following comment. You have to be completely misinformed or insane to consider buying CAMWorks of any flavor at this time.
Say, lets do some math. If you bought CW4SE last year and had 3axis mill and Volumill along with two axis turning you spent over $13,000.00 and maintenance was $2,500.00. ST7 was released 8-8-14 and it was not until 4-29-15 that a mostly working CW4SE version was out. Well at least the milling side as Lathe never has. Lets say you use CW4SE for five years which is 5 x $2,500.00 + $13,000.00 for a total of $25,500.00. Divide this by 60 and you get $425.00 per month cost. You had basically 2 months from the release of CW4SE SP1 until ST8 came out and CW4SE was obsolete again. So our final number is 9 x $425.00 for two months usage. Cost of ownership——-$1,912.50 PER MONTH for CW4SE alone. SE is eminently usable the second you get your hands on it. SE Classic is $1,500.00 per year maintenance x 5 = $7,500.00 + $6,900.00 roughly for the program or $240.00 per month over five years. You have to use CAMWorks with SW or SE. So the true cost of CW4SE for ST7 for two months use is 9 x $240.00 + $425.00 or $2,992.50 PER MONTH. You can figure your own numbers for how much you lost during the months you could not use CW4SE and add this to the overall cost.
Geometric please note that my cost for Inventor Pro HSM using the same metric for five years for CAD and CAM everything Autodesk has to offer is a gross of $17,500.00 for a real cost of $291.66 per month since the very second you get Inventor Pro HSM everything works. This does not even get into the calculation of how much time does it take to output worth while code where in my experience CW4SE can consume whole days and get you no where. Where the very best days only take three and four times as long as HSM to do simple things.
So with bombs bursting in air and owners angry eyed glare lets give truth to the fright because Geometric’s still there. Onward stalwart soul to the SW side.
I will say one thing for these SW guys. Geometric does not deserve such long suffering but still paying customers. I can’t for the life of me understand why these guys are still there. Darned few posts over on the SW side and it has been twenty or so posters that I can see for years now. Another ringing endorsement of customer satisfaction. Today we find……….
“Here we go again…
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July 1, 2015 at 7:59 AM
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PPC Engineering
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My lathe post has been a train wreck since day 1. My VAR was never able to provide something appropriate for my machine, so I have cobbled one together that works. It involves a lot of manual changes to the code after posting, but it gets me by.
I started using coordinate conversion (X,Y,Z) on my mill/turn machine instead of C-Axis interpolation (X,C,Z). I altered the .SRC file to include the required G137 at the beginning of the milling cycle to recognize the X,Y,Z coordinates but didn’t like where it put the command in the posted code. I dealt with it manually for a few weeks since we were busy and it only took a few seconds to move. So today, I decide to change it so it outputs the G137 in the correct spot, make the change in the .SRC file, compile the post and go to output and I get this.
(1/2 EM CRB 4FL 1 LOC)
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G00 X30. Z30.
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G17 M110
G94 SB=4250 M13
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To be clear, this is all face milling and drilling being done with a 1/2″ end mill. I’m not even doing OD milling/drilling.
My first assumption is I screwed something up, so I go back and double check. All I did was remove a G:137 (with tags of course) from the first_rapid_z_move_down section and put it in the tool_change_mill and sub_tool_change_mill sections. I made sure to include the :T: and EOL commands. Now the kicker…I got frustrated messing with it and decided to revert back to an old post from a few months ago. I delete the new files, replace them with the old ones, compile and BOOM, same problem! This tells me it isn’t the standard post files causing the problem, since older files without the changes made to them don’t work either. Anyone have an idea of where to look to figure out why it is doing this all the sudden?
July 1, 2015 at 10:03 AM
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PPC Engineering
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Hmm, nevermind! I just recompiled (for the 10th time) and it went back to normal. I can’t imagine what the problem was but it seems to be working now.
July 2, 2015 at 5:16 AM
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rainman
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Not having any post issues with 2015, but numerous lathe issues… another buggy release by Geometric!
July 2, 2015 at 4:33 PM
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Dave Ault
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Program Farter, Machine Disaster. Well at least you guys have something. We got a month and a half of CW4SE for SE ST7 and then ST8 came out. Which of course CW does not recognize and I had to remove before ST8 would work with the license. So basically for a whole version release there was one and a half months of pretty buggy stuff to work with and now for those who stay with CW4SE how soon will they do anything for ST8? Merry Christmas I suppose so just be patient.
Does this Geometric clown posse ever do anything right? I am really bitter about all of this sorry saga with SE and I have to ask. If it has been this bad on the SW side too why do you guys stay? Can you afford these never ending glitches without taking a hit to your profits?
They wanted more money from me at the end of June for a program I could somewhat use for a couple of months the last year assuming I wanted to be current with my design program. Which I did because of worth while improvements. I went to Inventor HSM because I just could not handle the problems anymore. Funny thing here, the day Inventor 2016 was released HSM was fully functional and I did not have to wait one second to use it.”
Please note the above month and a half comment. When adding it all up it was two months but I am not going to go back and change it there.
No since you are wondering I did not add any lines to the OP’s first comment. The pure genius of real life exceeds anything I could have done.
A 4TH of July comment that has nothing to do with Geometric or CAD CAM. I am going to break a cardinal rule and talk politics here. It’s my blog and as far as I am concerned after these past few weeks and years some things need to be said. I have not done this in four years and may never do so again but today here it is.
Happy 4TH of July All. Get out there and blow stuff up and pollute the air with copious amounts of pyrotechnic smoke and noise. Maybe even shoot a demon possessed firearm. Celebrate freedom and what this country was founded on and for. Enjoy pissing off PC liberals and the anti-American racist Muslim radical in the White House and wave an American and a Confederate Flag this year. Perhaps a Don’t Tread On Me flag with a reason for existence just as real today as it was back then should be added.
Isn’t it strange how all these illegal immigrants come here and bitch about us and our ways after they make their own countries unlivable? Isn’t it funny how a man who is not provably a legal citizen is in the White house and breaking laws left and right to bring anyone but working honest Christians into the country? Isn’t it funny how bought and paid for mainstream media help tear down the things they have benefited from never understanding Stalin and Lenin called them useful idiots before they slaughtered them? Isn’t it funny how we have to work and these criminals come in here and get tax refunds for work they never paid taxes on much less earned legally as a citizen? While they rape rob and steal from those who built this country? It is time to stand up and be counted America. You legitimate citizens can’t hide from reality anymore and expect to pass anything worthwhile on to your grandchildren. There you go Democrats, for the children just like you advise.
Read what the Founding Fathers had to say in literature written by them in their day and time about tyranny and treacherous back stabbing leadership and think real hard. Read how intertwined the King James Bible and the Christian God Jesus of Nazareth was in their thinking and precepts for this nation in their own words from literature they personally wrote at that time. Think about how this nation rose from nothing to world leadership in so many ways in record time with record prosperity and freedoms because these concepts were considered and incorporated into the fabric of the USA. These Founding Father’s were wise with timeless wisdom and the proof is in the results generated in this unparalleled shining human endeavor called the United States of America.
We are at the cross roads and can’t afford to waste another election cycle re-electing or electing trash talking anti-Christian radical socialist heterophobic career politician serial lying Democrats and Rino’s whose sole desires appear to be the destruction of everything that made this country great. (Or sitting on our hands and not voting against this mess. You stay at home and you are a vote for the destruction of this country.) Who value the votes of illegals and fringe lunatics more than mine and I have had family here since the revolution. Choose, is it going to be rainbow lit White House socialist Muslims and their fellow traveler enablers running the insane asylum or is it going to be a Christian ethics dominated society again where you are guaranteed a stable and prosperous future as it was in the past.
I Pledge Allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic
for which it stands,
one Nation under God,
indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.
Teach it to your children and be prepared to defend it if you value what made America great. Freedom is not free and it will not long remain to the ignorant who willfully neglect to learn the truth and abide by it.
Machined Audio Horn Lens 
Hi Dave
I can’t comment about your ongoing trauma with CW4SE – just sympathise with your plight.
I will however comment, if I may (as an alien) to some of your political diatribe.
As churchgoing Christians we should both be aware of Romans 13, difficult as it may be for us to agree with.
Also, I don’t know where this idea that Barack Obama is a Muslim came from (Rush Limbaugh?) but I understood that he too was a practicing Christian, though with a high stress job and (now) few friends.
Your Pledge states: with liberty and justice for all
Is that just “all” just those that you agree with, or were born in the USA, or are not poor or that speak good English?
You’ve always come across to me as a good man who speaks a lot of sense. Don’t let a piece of software make you lose your wider perspective on life!
Oh, and I do wish you a good holiday tomorrow, when you celebrate your independence from those appalling English.
Best wishes
Alan
Nr Stratford-upon-Avon
England
Hi Alan,
Oh perhaps the idea that actions speak louder than words. Obama attended a radical liberation theology church in Chicago whose pastor stood in the pulpit and said G– D— America right after 9-11. Research racism over the pulpit from Obama’s pastor and mentor Rev Jeremiah Wright and tell me if there is much resemblance to any Christian you know. But the name on the front door said Trinity Church of Christ so he must be a Christian because no one would ever lie would they. Ramadan is celebrated in the Whitehouse with Muslims and invitation only dinners but Christian holy days are not. Obama’s father was a Muslim and as the twig is bent so grows the tree. Comment continually from him about how we must be considerate of Muslim feelings but never any defense of Muslim slaughtered Christians anywhere in the world. Things like a Muslim gets shot here in the states we have to be tolerant of them but when a Muslim nut job runs through a military base here spouting off Allua Akhbar or whatever those nuts say while shooting soldiers nine of whom dies it is workplace violence. I don’t know what the liberal distortion machine reports over there but here enough gets out that his clear bias against Christians is evident. He is all the time talking of Christian intolerance and saying things like he did at a fund raiser in Hollywood about old white men clinging to their guns and bibles but somehow these same Christians are not shooting beheading and raping wholesale lots of Muslims. Obama has not one time come out clearly against Muslim violence which is based upon their bloodthirsty Koran but he has said that Christians need to practice compassion towards Muslims. He says he regrets the violence but never condemns the reason for Muslim violence but somehow Christians are to be chastised. His wife was just over there in England where she met with Muslim women and frothed forth about how much she felt just like them and then comes back to the states to a Christian nation and says how much she hates the US. This stuff has gone on for years. He has time for plenty of radical muslim brotherhood visitors in the Whitehouse and far more than Christian leaders. Let me ask you this. Where in the world did you get the idea he was not Muslim and how can you make this claim? Where is your evidence against this idea? The liberal media said it? I would surely trust that bunch. That he says he is Christian because he sat under Rev Jeremiah Wright? May I remind you that the Koran says it is perfectly acceptable to lie to infidels. The Christian Bible says do not lie period and this president rarely speaks the truth.
Rather than pillory Rush you might just spend a week and listen some day. Try to catch him in a lie or outright deception. The media has tried for years here to smear him and they have yet to make things stick because basically they can’t disprove what he says with superior logic and evidence. They are expert at distortion and mud slinging though. His audience is growing fast and the liberals can’t find one successful liberal radio talk host to countermand him because words do mean things and the truth will prevail among rational thinking people.
The pledge is for all that came here legally which if you read what I said you would understand. Did I say anywhere no immigration? I said things against a lawbreaking president who wants to flood this country with third world people faster than they can be assimilated because he wants to destroy the American way of life. Do I want to prohibit Mexicans from being here completely? No and it never has been that way but there are quotas and if this country is flooded with these people they will bring their failed economic and social model with them and pull us down to their level. I would not want to live in Mexico,Central America, Venezuela or any African continent nation and I bet you would not either. And I do NOT want to have to live like them here in my country. All these immigrants who wreck their own countries need to stay and fix the mess they made and not take it with them and repeat the cycle. When you open the flood gates and too many appear to fast in a nation they did not build the character of the the successful nation is indeed dragged down. Can’t remember any Englishmen decapitating bobbies for instance but those under Muslim influence who have flooded into England faster than they can be assimilated do along with all those Pakistanis raping those young girls over there. Not exactly traditional conservative English behavior but then they all have a right to go wherever they want and not respect your feelings or traditions because their feelings matter and your’s do not. How is that working out over there anyway? I suspect just as poorly as it is here.
Say didn’t England have something called the Magna Carta because of the over reach of the Monarchy? We aren’t the only rebellious ones and it was disgruntled Englishmen who were primarily responsible for the USA and they started it all off for religious freedom from the state church if I remember right. It later grew into rebellion against the Monarchical over reach and taxation without representation so really you guys are all to blame. You made us and sent us forth into a new land and planted the seeds. Shame on you it’s your fault:)
Nope Alan not an alien but a forefather so tip of the hat to you and thanks for the well wishes. Hope you guys don’t give your country and traditions away to those who don’t have them.
Romans 13 is oft used by those who wish to excuse bad behavior and your forced by laws and not by moral imperetives into submission to it. Read all of Romans and tell me where it says to obey immorality if government sponsors it. Paul never said surrender Biblical principles to secular authority. He did say for instance in Romans 1-27 let man not lie with man. This current Whitehouse resident is all for it and intends to try to destroy Christian churches that preach the truth through the application of secular laws forcing them at the point of a gun to obey that which the Bible teaches against. Think I am kidding here disobey the edicts long enough and see if a nice man from the government does not show up and take your church by force from you so some poofter hugging anti Christian liberal socialist can feel better. Just a thought here. Would a real Christian act this way? I would also point out Timothy 5:8 and 1:9-10 since we are excerpting single verses. I would also point out that Jesus, if you believe the book, provides salvation. The government does not and can not so to whom should your obedience truly be? Give Caesar your coins but not your soul.